Ä Area: I_UFO ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 8164 Date: 02-21-96 07:34 From: Mike Pell Read: Yes Replied: No To: All Mark: Reply Subj: Atlantis 1/3 ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ * Area: U-ALIENVISIT ******************************************************* Msg#: 75 Date: 02-14-96 00:56 From: Density4@cts.com Read: Yes Replied: No To: All Mark: Subj: Atlantis, The Atlantis Gr **************************************************************************** From: density4@cts.com (Blue Resonant Human) Subject: Atlantis, The Atlantis Grid, DNA and the Redemption of the Universe Organization: CTS Network Services Atlantis, The Atlantis Grid, DNA and the Redemption of the Universe. by Peter Rhodes-Dimmer The question of DNA - and the inter-racial difficulties it caused - was important in Atlantis, and this article attempts to show why, what the historical background was, and the context it gives us for today. There was more than one type of humanoid present during Atlantis. To understand how this came about, we have to look back further in time, at even earlier civilisations on this planet. The humanoid form is a design that has existed for aeons of time, and over that time has been expressed in may different ways. To explain what is meant by this, we might take a house design as a metaphor. Its plans, elevations, levels, general layout, rooms, the pitch of the roof, etc. - all taken together - are what constitute that design. The expression of that design may be to build it from timber, bricks, metal sheets, mud and wattle - the end effect will be very different depending on the materials chosen, but it's all the same fundamental design. So it is with the humanoid form. Over time, the same design has been expressed a number of different ways, using the best DNA that was then available, which in turn reflects different stages in the development of the physical planes of existence. Since Humanity has been in the phenomenon known as The Fall - from the time of Atlantis we have been moving steadily down through the frequencies those who came before us now exist only at higher frequency levels, which, being largely out of sync with our own, are no longer a part of our general consciousness. What memories are left are now consigned to fairy stories and mythology. On planet Earth, there have been three great DNA experiments capable of expressing the humanoid design. The first was the reptilian, and we know that, prior to the domination by the planet of the Dinosaurs, the reptiles represented the major and most advanced DNA building block on the planet, and many different reptilian forms resulted. The highest expression of the reptilian DNA was a humanoid, reptile-man, or Reptoid. They formed the first great civilisation here, now completely lost to any recorded history. They were cold blooded, and therefore very temperature sensitive, although in a highly energised planetary environment, this probably mattered little. Compared to today's hu-man, they were almost devoid of emotion. The Dinosaurs, the second great experiment, were a much more sophisticated DNA form, and they were even more prolific, being the dominant DNA on Earth for 165 million years. Over time they developed to become warm blooded, allowing them to operate efficiently in a wide variety of ambient temperatures. A recent documentary on The Discovery Channel followed an interesting scientific detective story, as several Professors in this field explored sites where dinosaur footprints and tracks - sometimes by the thousand - are to be found. What became evident was that there were no tail prints, which turns out to be highly significant. All our pictures of Dinosaurs, developed against images first proposed over 100 years ago, show large tails being dragged, lizard-like, over the ground, and these were shown to be incorrect. The facts drawn from imprints left on the ground, and re-constructions of the implied mechanics of walking, now appear to indicate that these tails were balancing devices, and as such, were held horizontally, and clear of the ground, leaving no trail. The documentary illustrated that over time that one particular group of dinosaurs had become increasingly upright. The terrifying Terrano-saurus Rex is a good example, as its massively muscular front legs were far too short to be useful as legs. They were arms - T-Rex moved on two legs, and stood upright, as did many of the later dinosaurs. ... Welcome to the world of high technology.--Walter Skinner ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -!- GEcho 1.11+ ! Origin: Renzo's Roost, Hamilton, Ont. (1:244/118) Ä Area: I_UFO ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 8165 Date: 02-21-96 07:34 From: Mike Pell Read: Yes Replied: No To: All Mark: Reply Subj: Atlantis 2/3 ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ One professor in the documentary showed his conclusion of the logical pinnacle of the development of dinosaurs, in the form of a full scale model. It was a giant humanoid! So, a humanoid based on Dinosaur DNA - or a Dinoid - is now tentatively supported by the latest archaeological findings. Indeed, science is thus just beginning to support what the kids comic strip writers, and of the great science-fiction series, appear to have known for decades. There are a variety of humanoids that have developed in the past, based on the same basic design as our own, and making the highest use of the best DNA that was available when and where this happened. Thus, for example, the Cardassians from Star Trek are a Reptoid race, humanoid beings based on the reptilian DNA. The Klingons are a Dinoid race, humanoids based on the dinosaur DNA. The Dinoids were the second humanoid civilisation, here on Earth, in pre-history. Like the Reptoids, they left and moved to colonise other places, long ago. How does this apply to Atlantis? Well, we are all, vaguely, aware that these complete civilisations have been here before our recorded - or even speculated history. Indeed, they were! First the Reptoids, with their distinctly unfeeling, unemotional demeanour. Then the dinoids, who, being warm blooded, were far more like us. Both developed, ascended to higher frequencies, and left the planet. Both types, in their higher form, came back again, many, many times. There were many civilisations, spread around the cosmos, based on one or other of the two main DNA types, and there were almost certainly other DNA derivatives of the humanoid design, as well. Crustaceans, and Arachnid forms come to mind from the comic strips - perhaps these, too, represent some distant memory? The book 'Two Thirds' records how the Alteans (who appear to have been a Dinoid race) travelled across two galaxies to settle on Mars, where they spent two hundred thousand years developing the new DNA from which the hu-man being - the third great DNA experiment on Earth - was to be created. Then, in just two generations they genetically engineered the native anthropoids to create the first true humans. They went on to observe, manage, and lead the new hu-man race through hundreds of thousands of years as it started it's long developmental period. Notice the similarity between the names 'Altean' and 'Atlantean'. The Dinoids were a far more developed humanoid type than the humans, since they had existed immeasurably longer. However, their DNA was ultimately less capable than the human DNA, so that their ultimate development could not go nearly as far as the full potential of the human being. They looked for ways to get around this restriction, and in particular, they did this energetically, developing a two layer soul structure. The first layer was not unlike ours. The second, a sort of soul-mantle, held many extraordinary faculties which, today, we are only just becoming cognoscente of. Using the power of this mantle, they could manifest into the physical, travel across time and dimensions, communicate telepathically, teleport and bi-locate. Although Earth had long since ceased to be the home for their civilisations, later, a small number of Dinoids were here for a long time as powerful leaders of the newer hu-man beings. They lead Atlantis, and later were the Pharaoh's of ancient Egypt. It is probable that there were Reptoids here, as well, at that time. Again, the book 'Two Thirds' is interesting, as it portrays the reptilian group, one of several civilisations from the Plaeides, and the Alteans (who were Dinoid) struggling for control of the galaxy. The role of the hu-man, after a very tough time over many incarnations, is illustrated in the book as 1995, the grid locked on to the planet, rather than pass right by, as it had done so many times before. At the end of that month, ceremonies around the world were performed to start the process of re-commissioning the grid into it's true form, which is highly energised, and multi-dimensional. All twelve cosmic energies are now present for the first time since Atlantis, and now there is a thirteenth energy, which is only just appearing around the whole planet for the first time. This energy holds the whole system together, and in a form that is highly resistant to abuse (unlike the system of seven it replaces, which is easily polarised). This energy, now coming into it's own for the first time, was seeded two thousand years ago, and is what we might now call the Christ Energy. The grid that gave rise to, and supported Atlantis is back. Soon, all the energetic structures it represents will be in place and operating, and in addition, the Christ energy will envelop the whole planet. The much discussed Ascension is the move back up the energies, driven by the re-commissioning of the Atlantis grid, to where we once were energetically, at the time when the Dinoids reigned, and abundance and magic were, for so long, the order of the day. ... A lie is most convincingly hidden between two truths.--Deep Throat ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -!- GEcho 1.11+ ! Origin: Renzo's Roost, Hamilton, Ont. (1:244/118) Ä Area: I_UFO ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 8166 Date: 02-21-96 07:34 From: Mike Pell Read: Yes Replied: No To: All Mark: Reply Subj: Atlantis 3/3 ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ The big difference is that now, humanity has evolved a great deal, having been tempered by long experience of the fall, separation, and all that has gone with it through many hundreds, if not thousands, of incarnations. We are ready to take, and use, the powers that were once available to Atlantis, for the highest good, and in an entirely new format. What is now happening will eventually benefit the whole cosmos, as it brings about the full and positive expression of the powers for so long latent in the Human design. What is on offer to humanity is it's destiny, is no less than the leadership position in the redemption of the Universe! Peter Rhodes-Dimmer -!- ! Origin: (1:12/98.1) ... That guy in the ugly suit is probably CIA.--Mulder ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -!- GEcho 1.11+ ! Origin: Renzo's Roost, Hamilton, Ont. (1:244/118) Ä Area: I_UFO ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 8167 Date: 02-21-96 07:34 From: Mike Pell Read: Yes Replied: No To: All Mark: Reply Subj: Sumer ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ * Area: U-ALIENVISIT ******************************************************* Msg#: 137 Date: 02-16-96 22:45 From: Jsavino@superlink.net Read: Yes Replied: No To: All Mark: Subj: Re: Ancient Astronauts **************************************************************************** From: jsavino@superlink.net (Savino) Subject: Re: Ancient Astronauts Organization: SuperNet, Inc., NJ, USA (908-828-8988) Doug Weller (dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk) wrote: : In article <4frh5b$gs9@earth.superlink.net>, : jsavino@superlink.net (Savino) wrote: : [SNIP] :> Moreover, both aliens had the same name and the same celestial home :> (which is invisible to the naked eye). : Ok, I'll bite, which were....? Archaeoastronomic / archaeological records indicate that the home of the Andean alien Amaru ("The Serpent") was a constellation likewise called The Serpent. Though apparently never seen by Andean or archaeoastronomer alike, this constellation was described as a S-shaped dark nebula lying to the north of the great llama that runs south from Epsilon Scorpii. Archaeoastronomic / archaeological records from the Near East indicate that the home of the alien called The Serpent was a constellation likewise called The Serpent, beginning on the star Theta Ophiuchii and curving around to Zeta Ophiuchii. Anyway, it turns out that a S-shaped dark nebula --invisible to the naked eye-- actually exists near the star Theta Ophiuchii, just to the north of Scorpio. The astronomers call it The Snake, or more formally, nebula B72. A Serpent at roughly the same location is the only point of mutual agreement between the Andean constellations of dark nebulae and the Sumerian constellations of bright stars, and I have compiled a significant amount of evidence to support these notions. I take it quite seriously since the make-up of the night sky seems to be one of the most stable elements of human knowledge. Let's make something clear: the evidence is strongly suggestive but not conclusive. From the Sumerian side, I find no signs of knowledge that the celestial serpent was comprised of dark nebulae, but the lack of a celestial fix may account for this being almost the only constellation to change shape, enlarged and turned toward more northern skies to become our contemporary Serpens. On the Andean side, the unseen Serpent remained stable, but to give themselves something to look at they effectively duplicated its S-shape out of visible nebulae in more southern skies. An alien civilization may very well reside within or near the nebula we call B72, and I firmly believe a thorough search of that area of the sky is more likely to produce results than a superficial search across the entire sky. The precise coordinates of the alien civilization would, of course, be enormously helpful. If anyone is interested in really wild speculation, I have something to suggest: try to find the point of collision on the celestial sphere of a planetary arrow running out of our solar system and a star arrow running out of Scorpio's tail. The rules of the game are as follows: Horizontal Coordinates You must begin with Mars in all cases, and then try running through one of the innermost planets or through the midpoint between Venus and Mercury. Timer: alignment of Venus, Mars and Uranus. Epoch: mid-September of 433 A.D. Vertical Coordinates The best tries seem to be a) Theta Scorpii through the midpoint of Lambda Scorpii and Upsilon Scorpii, and b) the midpoint of Kappa Scorpii and Theta Scorpii through Lambda Scorpii. Epoch: mid-September of 433 A.D. P.S. If you have a radio telescope, please try to tune in at some imaginative frequencies. -!- ! Origin: (1:12/98.1) ... It's men like you that give perversion a bad name."--Mulder ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -!- GEcho 1.11+ ! Origin: Renzo's Roost, Hamilton, Ont. (1:244/118) Ä Area: 5012 ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 1 Date: 27 Jul 96 16:43:23 From: Antryg Windrose To: Martin Van Leijen Subj: Atlantis ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ MVL> You CAN erect Easter Island heads with just manpower, ropes, and a MVL> few logs. There ARE ancient Egyptian paintings showing how pyramids MVL> and megasculptures were put into place (as Lister said, "Whips. MVL> Massive whips.") Most of the Nazca "runways" are 5' or less across. MVL> Almost every ship which disappeard in the Triangle "on a clear day" MVL> did so during major storms. There is *no record of Atlantis prior MVL> to Plato*, who sets up the whole situation by explaining that Solon's MVL> story was told on a day traditionally associated with *the telling of MVL> tall tales*. Etc., etc., etc. Aw, now you've gone and RUINED it all for everybody! #8-( And a bloody good thing, too. Regards. ... Texans DO IT with oil. Ä Area: UFO ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 17822 Date: 08-05-96 18:20 From: Jane Segal Read: Yes Replied: No To: Phil Clarke Mark: Subj: Re: Atlantis ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ PC>[quoting Martin van Leijen from a message to Brad Stolmar] PC>MvL> I wonder why people don't read *Plato* instead of some pulp PC>MvL> writers, way they might discover that Plato himself says that PC>MvL> the STORY of is largely his own invention. Why is it that some PC>MvL> parts of the story are true (according to the Atlantologists) PC>and others PC> Where would one obtain his writing? Also I doubt you were PC>reading his work either, as you probably read/write in English. He PC>did not, so you are at the mercy of the interpretations of the PC>interpreter. Hi Phil! I would imagine that one could obtain Plato's writings in the local library or you could order them at a book store. As far as I know, they are not out of print as Plato is one author that our English teachers encouraged us to read when we were young. As for the translations and interpretations, you are absolutely correct, however unless you learn Plato's language, which was Greek, circa 427? -347 B.C. Plato (his nickname) was Aristocles and his mentor was Socrates. The only listings that I could find as to a title of his work was _THE REPUBLIC_, _Critias_ and _Timaeus_. His writings were, however made widely available through the translations of Benjamin Jowett (1817-1893) who was an outstanding classical scholar of Oxford University. As for the story of Atlantis, Plato heard the story from his father, Solon. The story was told to him by an Egyptian priest who was telling the founding of Athens in very ancient times by the goddess Athena. Following is the story told to Solon by the priest: "Many great and wonderful deeds are recorded of your state in our histories. But one of them exceeds all the rest in greatness and valour. For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire which had rule over the whole island and several men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia. This vast power, gathered into one, endeavoured to subdue at a blow our country and yours and the whole of the region within the straits; and then Solon, your country shone forth, in the excellence of her virtue and strength, among all mankind. She was pre-eminent in courage and military skill, and was the leader of the Hellenes. And when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated and triumphed over the invaders, and preserved from slavery those who were not yet subjugated, and generously liberated all the rest of us who dwell within the pillars. But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island." The next account which goes back 9,000 years was also brought up in _Cretias_ and goes as such: "And Poseidon, receiving for his lot the island of Atlantis, begat children by a mortal woman, and settled them in a part of the island, which I will describe. Looking towards the sea, but in the centre of the whole island, there was a plain which is said to have been the fairest of all plains and very fertile. Near the plain again, and also in the centre of the island at a distance of about fifty stadia, there was a mountain not very high on any side. In this mountain there dwelt one of the earth-born primeval men of that country, whose name was Evenor, and he had a wife Leucippe, and they had an only daughter who was called Cleito. The maiden had already reached womanhood, when her father and mother died; Poseidon fell in love with her and had intercourse with her, and breaking the ground, inclosed the hill in which she dwelt all around, making alternate zones of sea and land larger and smaller, encircling one another; there were two of land and three of water, which he turned as with a lathe, each having its circumference equidistant everyway from the centre, so that no man could get to the island, for ships and voyages were not as yet. He himself, being a god, found no difficulty in making special arrangements for the centre island bringing up two springs of water from beneath the earth, one of warm water and the other cold, and making every variety of food to spring up abundantly from the soil. He also begat and brought up five pairs of twin male children; and dividing the island of Atlantis into ten portions, he gave to the first-born of the eldest pair his mother's dwelling and the surrounding allotment, which was the largest and best, and made him king over the rest; the others he made princes, and gave them rule over many men, and a large territory. And he named them all; the eldest who was the first king he named Atlas, and after him the whole island and the ocean were called Atlantic." (Continued next message...) "If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that fictional characters are someties more real than people with bodies and heartbeats." _ILLUSIONS, THE RELUCTANT MESSIAH - Richard Bach(1:209/276) * CmpQwk #UNREG * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY -*- SF-Quick/BW 1.00r [#44] -!- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#130) ! Origin: The "us" Project, BBS * Wilmington DE * USR D/S 16.8k (1:150/8) Ä Area: UFO ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 17823 Date: 08-05-96 18:20 From: Jane Segal Read: Yes Replied: No To: Phil Clarke Mark: Subj: Re: Atlantis ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ (Continued from previous message...) continued... "If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that fictional characters are someties more real than people with bodies and heartbeats." _ILLUSIONS, THE RELUCTANT MESSIAH - Richard Bach (1:209/276) * CmpQwk #UNREG * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY -*- SF-Quick/BW 1.00r [#44] -!- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#130) ! Origin: The "us" Project, BBS * Wilmington DE * USR D/S 16.8k (1:150/8) Ä Area: UFO ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 17824 Date: 08-05-96 18:20 From: Jane Segal Read: Yes Replied: No To: Phil Clarke Mark: Subj: Re: Atlantis ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ continued from previous message RE: Plato and Atlantis Plato goes on... "First of all they bridged over the zones of sea which surrounded the ancient metropolis, making a road to and from the royal palace. And at the very beginning they built the palace in the habitation of the god and of their ancestors, which they continued to ornamenting successive generations, every king surpassing the one who went before him to the utmost of his power, until they made the building a marvel to behold for size and for beauty. And beginning from the sea they bored a canal of three hundred feet in width and one hundred feet in depth and fifty stadia in length, which they carried through to the outermost zone, making a passage from the sea up to this, which became a harbour, and leaving an opening sufficient to enable the largest vessels to find ingress. Moreover, they divided at the bridges the zones of land which parted the zones of sea, leaving room for a single trireme to pass out of one zone into another, and they covered over the channels so as to leave a way underneath for the ships; for the banks were raised considerably above the water. Now the largest of the zones into which a passage was cut from the sea was tree stadia in breadth, and the zone of land which came next of equal bredth; but the next two zones, the one of water, the other of land, were two stadia, and the one which surrounded the central island was a stadium only in width. The island in which the palace was situated had a diameter of five stadia. All this including the zones and the bridge, which was the sixth part of a stadium in width, they surrounded by a stone wall on every side, placing towers and gates on the bridges where the sea passed in. The stone which was used in the work they quarried from underneath the centre island, and from underneath the zones, on the outer as well as the inner side. One kind was white, another black, and a third red, and as they quarried, they at the same time hollowed out red, and as they quarried, they at the same time hollowed out double docks, having roofs formed out of the native rock. Some of their buildings were simple, but in others they put together different stones, varying the colour to please the eye, and to be a natural source of delight. The entire circuit of the wall, which went round the outermost zone, they covered with a coating of brass, and the circuit of the next wall they coated with tin, and the third, which encompassed the citadel, flashed with the red light of orichalcum..."(* A yellow metallic substance considered precious by the ancient Greeks, probably a type of brass.) There follows a description of the palaces and temples: "In the next place, they had fountains, one of cold and another of hot water, in gracious plenty flowing; and they were wonderfully adapted for use by reason of the pleasantness and excellence of their waters. They constructed buildings about them and planted suitable trees; also they made cisterns, some open to the heavens, others roofed over, to be used in winter as warm baths; there were the kings' baths, and the baths of private persons, which were kept apart; and there were separate baths for women, and for horses and cattle, and of each of them they gave as much adornment as was suitable. Of the water which gave as much adornment as was suitable. Of the water which ran off they carried some to the grove of Poseidon, where were growing all manner of trees of wonderful height and beauty, owing to the excellence of the soil, while others for horses in both of the two islands formed by the zones; and in the centre of the larger of the two there was set apart a race-course of a stadium in width, and in length allowed to extend all round the island, for horses to race in." After describing guardhouses and the crowded docks, Plato goes on: "Leaving the palace and passing out across the three harbours, you came to a wall which began at the sea and went all around: this was everywhere distant fifty stadia from the largest zone or harbour, and enclosed the whole, the ends meeting at the mouth of the channel which led to the sea. The entire area was densely crowded with habitations; and the canal and the largest of the harbours were full of vessels and merchants coming from all parts, who, from their numbers, kept up a multitudinous sound of human voices, and din and clatter of all sorts night and day. I have described the city and the environs of the ancient palace nearly in the words of Solon, and now I must endeavour to represent to you the nature and arrangement of the rest of the land. The whole country was said by him to be very lofty and precipitous on the side of the sea, but the country immediately about and surrounding the city was a level plain, itself surrounded by mountains which descended towards the sea; it was smooth and even, and of an oblong shape, extending in one direction three thousand stadia, but across the centre inland it was two thousand stadia. This part of the island looked towards the south, and was sheltered from the north. The surrounding mountains were celebrated for their number and size and beauty, far beyond any which still exist, having in them also many wealthy villages of country folk, and rivers, and lakes, and meadows supplying food enough for every animal, wild or tame, and much wood of various sorts, abundant for each and every kind of work. I will now describe the plain, as it was fashioned by nature and by the labours of many generations of kings through long ages. It was for the most part rectangular and oblong, and where falling out of the straight line followed the circular ditch. The depth, and width, and length of this ditch were incredible, and gave the impression that a work of such extent, in addition to so many others, could never have been artificial. (Continued next message...) "If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that fictional characters are someties more real than people with bodies and heartbeats." _ILLUSIONS, THE RELUCTANT MESSIAH - Richard Bach (1:209/276) * CmpQwk #UNREG * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY -*- SF-Quick/BW 1.00r [#44] -!- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#130) ! Origin: The "us" Project, BBS * Wilmington DE * USR D/S 16.8k (1:150/8) Ä Area: UFO ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 17825 Date: 08-05-96 18:20 From: Jane Segal Read: Yes Replied: No To: Phil Clarke Mark: Subj: Re: Atlantis ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ (Continued from previous message...) Nevertheless I must say what I was told. It was excavated to the depth of a hundred feet, and its breadth was a stadium everywhere; it was carried round the whole of the plain, and was ten thousand stadia in length. It received the streams which came down from the mountains, and winding round the plain and meeting at the city, was there let off into the sea. Further inland, likewise, straight canals of a hundred feet in width were cut from it through the plain, and again let off into the ditch leading to the sea: these canals were at intervals of a hundred stadia, and by them they brought down the wood from the mountains to the city, and conveyed the fruits of the earth in ships, cutting transverse passages from one canal into another, and to the city. Twice in the year they gathered the fruits of the earth-in winter having the benefit of the rains of heaven, and in summer the water which the land supplied by introducing the streams from the canals. continued.... "If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that fictional characters are someties more real than people with bodies and heartbeats." _ILLUSIONS, THE RELUCTANT MESSIAH - Richard Bach (1:209/276) * CmpQwk #UNREG * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY -*- SF-Quick/BW 1.00r [#44] -!- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#130) ! Origin: The "us" Project, BBS * Wilmington DE * USR D/S 16.8k (1:150/8) Ä Area: UFO ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 17826 Date: 08-05-96 18:20 From: Jane Segal Read: Yes Replied: No To: Phil Clarke Mark: Subj: Re: Atlantis ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Part 3 Plato then tells of the population, the armed forces, with their 10,000chariots and 1,200 ships, the laws of Atlantis and their administration. In discussing "the vast power which the god settled in the lost island of Atlantis," Plato says the virtues of the people of Atlantis remained great as long as the divine element lasted in them. But, he says: "when the divine portion began to fade away, and became diluted too often and too much with the mortal admixture, and the human nature got the upper hand, they then, being unable to bear their fortune, behaved unseemly, and to him who had an eye to see, grew visibly debased, for they were losing the fairest of their precious gifts; but to those who had no eye to see the true happiness they appeared glorious and blessed at the very time when they were full of avarice and unrighteous power." "If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that fictional characters are someties more real than people with bodies and heartbeats." _ILLUSIONS, THE RELUCTANT MESSIAH - Richard Bach (1:209/276) * CmpQwk #UNREG * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY -*- SF-Quick/BW 1.00r [#44] -!- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#130) ! Origin: The "us" Project, BBS * Wilmington DE * USR D/S 16.8k (1:150/8)